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Smoke, peat, medicine... more, or just different?

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RikS started a discussion

Possibly what I'm about to ask is chemically unachievable, but I would appreciate some of the wisdom on the subject.

My whisky journey started in light summery place, Glenkinchie, Dalwhinnie, Aberlour, Glenmorangie. After a while, I moved so slightly to the neighbouring towns of Highland Park and Benromach and realised I rather enjoyed some of the smokey (note, I'm saying smoke not peat) character. In fact, so much that I'd like to have some more of what I found in Benromach... So one day I went to visit Lagavulin. And I really did not like it at all. I mean, at all. What I didn't like was that sour-pungent (medicinal I've seen as a good descriptor) taste that etched itself onto the sides or the very back of my tongue and just refused to leave for a good hour or two.

So here is my question, where - if anywhere - can I find a significantly more pronounced dollop of the "smoke" I pick out in HP or BR, and like, without getting the iodine/medicinal elements that I simply cannot handle in Lagavulin? Or, are they inseparable and it's merely the fact that both HP and BM is so lightly 'peated' or 'smokey' or whatever we shalt call it, that the medicinal components do not break through?

Yes, of course I have scouted on here and Google and elsewhere and have seen some ideas that they can be separated, Talisker and Caol Ila appear to pop up as suggestions, whereas other seem to claim that the one is an inevitable partner of the other...

No offense if it's already been asked 100 times, which I'm sure it is, but if someone is willing to share their hard earned wisdom on the physics of it all, and better still also on some bottles to try and how they might compare, I'd be rather grateful and have some interesting reading to look forward to tonight.

7 years ago

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@MadSingleMalt

Yes, it's a perennial subject. But that's OK.

I'm personally not one who perceives a difference between "peat" and "smoke" in peated scotch. But many do, so you might get better answers than mine. Nonetheless, here are my suggestions:

Talisker Distiller's Edition: Pretty peaty, but softened by the sherry casks

Any Longrow Red: Ditto, except red wine casks

Corsair Triple Smoke: Rather different stuff, smoked with things other than peat

Balcones Brimstone: Totally different stuff, smoked with some Texan scrub oak or what-have-you, tastes like BBQ meat

7 years ago 1Who liked this?

@RianC
RianC replied

I found the UK bottling (@40%) of Benriach Curiositas to have more of a sweet smoke profile than a medicinal peat style. Ardmore as well, maybe?

I haven't tried it yet (but have a bottle) of Benromach peat smoke. Couldn't say for sure but imagine that to be less medicinal and more smoke driven?

Tends to be the Islay ones that are more medicinal but that's a generalisation.

As you say, folk perceive things differently with smoke/peat. I crave the medicinal side of peat and find Lagavulin for e.g. to not be medicinal enough; and more about the ash tray smoke!? I'd not recommend Ardbeg ;)

7 years ago 2Who liked this?

@Robert99
Robert99 replied

@RikS For me, Benromach offers the biggest smoke without peat. I also find that very malty whisky have a smoke that is really integrated. Some Ben Nevis are like that.

The second possible answer to your question is to find some non medecinal peat. Benriach has a few. I am thinking of Septendecim and Heredotus Fumosus. I don't agree with @RianC , Curiositas is medecinal (sorry @RianC). There is other Speysiders that offer a forest peat. You should try one to see if you like it. I would go with the Septendecim, I love it and so do Serge from Whiskyfun who gives it an 89.

I also think you will not like the Talisker, but I do like the American suggestions of @MadSingleMalt .

7 years ago 1Who liked this?

@BlueNote
BlueNote replied

@RianC We get a 46% version of Curiositas in Canada. Its excellent value in a non-Islay peated offering. I like it quite a lot.

7 years ago 1Who liked this?

RikS replied

I did try a Talisker skye today. Not extremely interesting overall, but interesting in this context. I found it to have quite a bit of smoke, clearly more than the Benromach, and also a rather nice peppery element which I think is something one may feel for on certain days, but I got nothing of that medicinal feeling that I had from the Lagavulin. Does this make sense?

7 years ago 0

@RianC
RianC replied

@BlueNote - I know, you lucky sods! relaxed I bet the extra abv makes a big difference to that one.

7 years ago 1Who liked this?

@Alexsweden
Alexsweden replied

@RikS, you might enjoy Ballechin 10. Thats peated Edradour matured in both sherry and Bourbon casks. No medicinal notes to detect, do let it sit for a while. Oxidation really helps this one!

7 years ago 0

RikS replied

@Alexsweden thank you, I'll definetly check that one out. I've read some of your comments and reviews on here and you certainly know your whisky! I tasted Talisker skye the other day and was surprised that I thought it was rather Ok. Plenty smoke and pepper, but felt no peat/medicin compared to eg Lagavulin. What you think about spribgbank?

7 years ago 0

@Alexsweden
Alexsweden replied

I find springbank 12 to be very mild, albeit not medicinal, in the peat departement. Still haven't opened my 12 CS. it's a great distillery though, the longrow RED port distilled there is one of my favorite whiskies.

7 years ago 0

RikS replied

@Alexsweden Longrow Red seems very interesting - alas, it seems it's been discontinued and no longer available.

7 years ago 0

@Alexsweden
Alexsweden replied

Yes but if you're lucky you might find someone who has it in their cabinet

7 years ago 1Who liked this?

@MadSingleMalt

@RikS, the Longrow Reds are an ongoing series. Each of the past ones is indeed "discontinued," but only in the sense that each one was a one-off. There's a new current one, and no doubt there will be more down the road.

Or, if anyone knows that the whole series is being discontinued, please pull the emergency whisky alarm and let us all know!

7 years ago 0

RikS replied

@Alexsweden I feel lucky, so I'll try that!

7 years ago 0

RikS replied

@MadSingleMalt I'll keep an eye out for that. I've checked my usual suspects: Master of Malt, The Whisky Exchange and Amazon, and they're all out...

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