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@Phil73805
Phil73805 started a discussion

Hello all, I've been drinking whisky for a little while now. For some reason I was recently struck by the notion that it would be great to know something about it. I bought a couple of book by Charles Maclean, read a lot online and watched a few videos on the topic. I am hooked. Seriously so.

I am very much at the beginning of truly tasting and appreciating whisky and, when reading some reviews I am sometimes left wondering whether they were drinking the same whisky. The first whisky from which I was able to draw anything other than 'yup, that's whisky, no doubt about it' was The Balvenie, Doublewood 12. The first time it touched my palate, I was awash with a toffee sweetness and then the unmistakable taste of oranges followed by what I have to come to know is its signature dry (bitter with a suit on?) finish.

So, here's my question. How come every time I pour a glass I seem to taste a different whisky? Tonight I poured myself a dram and all I could get was cereal, cereal and more cereal. The last time was cereal and sweetness. I have yet to recapture that first mind altering taste. Are my taste buds messed up? I don't smoke and never have, though I have it on good authority that it wouldn't really matter if I was. I supposed what I'm looking for is a measure of consistency.

The bottle I bought was a 20cl one, I wanted to try it before I bought a 70cl bottle. Is it possible that it has oxidised already after only three weeks since opening? Might that explain the drastic and ever changing taste?

Since then and based on my first experience I have since bought the 70cl, I hope it doesn't disappoint.

Is this a familiar experience? Different time, different whisky?

9 years ago

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@KRB80
KRB80 replied

There are many things that can affect your palate and your overall experience. Whatever you have eaten/drank throughout the day will definitely affect your palate. Also, your general mood/disposition, company, atmosphere, temperature, etc etc will affect your enjoyment of said drinking experience. As with everything in life, it's all vastly interdependent.

9 years ago 1Who liked this?

@KRB80
KRB80 replied

Also, different release years and/or batches/barrels will have slight variances as well.

9 years ago 0

@Robert99
Robert99 replied

@Phil73805 The first pour out of a bottle can be quite different from what will follow. The higher notes of the whisky are more present for the better or the worst. Sometime it is just different, sometime you are left with alot less and sometime when the higher notes recessed they are revealing alot more that you didn't even thought was there. I opened a Tobermory 10 yo last week and was very disappointed by it and a week later the smoke is bigger and I have black currant not unlike the Highland Park 15 yo from 3 years ago. It is a huge come back. That is just an example. Now about tasting, I read about it. One of the first lesson I learned in my reading was that you may be able to detect some flavors a 100 times better than your neighbor while for other flavors it will be the opposite. So it is totally normal that you don't recognise some whiskies in some reviews. You just need to find the reviewer that describe a known product just like you would described it. And I totaly agree with KRB80. Sometime my taste buds are simply not there.

9 years ago 2Who liked this?

@Phil73805
Phil73805 replied

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives, it has certainly helped me understand thing better. However, I neglected to mention one other factor that, as it turns out, is crucial. I had a cold and thought I was over it...much like the gentleman in this article wordsofwhisky.com/happens-taste-whisky-cold…

I am feeling like a bit of a muppet but I am glad I mentioned it because I learned a lot from both of you. Thanks again.

9 years ago 1Who liked this?

@NVGeo
NVGeo replied

@Phil73805 Your palate will change as well, without your direct knowledge. This summer I had a whisky newbie friend over for a tasting. He had been at a store looking at scotches and a fellow recommended Talisker 10 yr to him as a starter scotch! He could barely drink it. He brought it with him and we swapped. I gave him a bottle of Macallan 12yr. Eight months later he was back and tried the Talisker again. He had no hope he would like it at all, but really liked it a lot. He didn't realize how much his palate had expanded.

But I suspect it was having a cold that did it for you as you say.

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@Fiberfar
Fiberfar replied

I've made the same mistake as you, thinking I was through with a nasty cold and having a dram, but ultimately finding it completely void of taste or in the very best case, being extremely one sided.

If there is one thing that I've learned to avoid before sampling whisky, it's coffee. For me, drinking coffee too close to a tasting session can really ruin my perception of flavours and aromas. I end up getting that 'yep, this is whisky' sensation you mention. Now I try to put at least one hour (or maybe two) between my last cup of coffee and my dram.

I agree with the other posters on their comments as well. Some days I don't 'feel' my whisky at all.

9 years ago 1Who liked this?

@Jules
Jules replied

I've said it before - but a small cup of (weak!) green tea will clean that palate nicely and double your enjoyment of a good dram... even when you have a cold.

Of course you won't detect ALL the subtleties quite as well with a cold, but the medicinal value of a strong dram has long been praised by malt drinkers :-D

9 years ago 1Who liked this?

@Phil73805
Phil73805 replied

Thank you all again. The cold is dead and with it's timely demise my sense of taste and smell have returned. Much to my delight. And to celebrate I wrote a review of the Balvenie Doublewood 12 which has been restored to its former glory.

9 years ago 0

@bourbondrinker

Hi there. @Phil73805. One more that could alter your tasting notes is your mood at the specific time of tasting. Try making a review when you "really feel like it". Another thing could be climate change. Try the same whisky under different circumstances and you'll see how the taste will change.

9 years ago 0

@jasonbstanding

It's been mentioned before, but what you've eaten/drank beforehand makes an incredible difference, for all sorts of different reasons. Sometimes your tastebuds might be coated with things which affect the interation of the whisky, or there still be an aroma of something strong which overwhelms or intermixes with the whisky's aromatics (which is why it's a good idea to avoid food pairings which have garlic in them).

There can be temperature differences which can affect the volatility/evaporation of alcohol once it gets into your system, or remnants of food/drink can mix and alter the viscosity of the whisky... all of which will make for quite a different experience.

And then there's things which actually affect how your taste/smell system behave, like Miracle Berry Fruit Tablets (www.thinkgeek.com/product/ab3f/) for a slightly more extreme example.

So, yeah, loads to think about really!

9 years ago 2Who liked this?

@Phil73805
Phil73805 replied

Rather than start another discussion I thought I'd raise a similar concern on this thread. I can't taste the sweet notes in any of my whisky! Even the HP12 which is consistently sweet is just smokey now. It was just Passover so I used the Wine preserver spray to keep my open whiskies from oxidising. I'm starting to wonder whether this gas changes the taste of the whisky. Does anyone have any experience with the Wine Preserver? Since my malt journey began I am struggling with consistency in taste. I dabbled with Port over Passover which I loved, for its consistency as well as its taste. It's strange that a whisky never seems to taste the same from one tasting to the other.

9 years ago 0

@Victor
Victor replied

@Phil73805, I use Private Preserve wine preserver quite a lot. The only whisky I seriously thought might have had its taste affected by it was The Laddie Ten. I really haven't noticed change in anything else.

The upshot? I still use the gas frequently, but, now that I have obtained a supply of small bottles, I rely the most strongly on decanting into smaller bottles with very small air spaces. When I open another bottle of The Laddie Ten I will decant it within the first week and avoid the inert gas.

9 years ago 0

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