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@Spitfire
Spitfire started a discussion

So, the other night I had some friends stop in for dinner as they were passing through. The woman is the one who originally served me some scotch worth drinking, maybe 2 decades ago--so, we had a mini scotch tasting. Well, whisky tasting; she's a fan of scotch, particularly Oban, but I let her try some she'd never even heard of.

First, the Glendronach Revival 15yo--every time I pour this, I'm amazed again at just how good it is. For comparison, I also poured a bit of Aberlour A'Bunadh.

Then, I brought out some of my 40 Creek Confederation Oak, which she dutifully tried, and (to her surprise, I think) quite enjoyed. Her comment: "Wow, this hits totally different areas of the palate!"

Lastly, I opened (finally!) my tiny collection of Japanese whiskies, a whole 3 bottles. Of the three, her farourite was the Nikka Pure Malt Black, which is probably the most "scotch-like." It was also my favourite, but it only beat out the Nikka Whisky From The Barrel by a tiny margin; she didn't like the WFTB though, as it does have a slightly rougher alcohol edge. For us both, the White Oak Akashi was our least favourite--but still very nice, and a worthwhile dram. We had a good discussion about non-Scottish "scotch," which I've read about a fair bit on this board but my friends weren't familiar with it.

Anyways, another friend was there, who doesn't drink whisky, but does read a lot--and later that night, she emailed me a link to this NY Times article about non-Scottish single malts:

nytimes.com/2016/05/…

I read it, and found it of some interest--although where they're finding good-quality scotch for under $50, I dunno. Certainly not around here!

8 years ago

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@JasonHambrey
JasonHambrey replied

One thing I don't like is so many people insisting that terroir matters when seemingly they don't seem to understand the influence of fermentation and distillation. When you are saying that terrior matters, yet the barley or rye is imported from Scotland or Belgium anyway.... so what terroir? Not that distilleries aren't doing more of this embracing of, say, Scottish Barley and labelling it...but you really need to know what you are talking about in regards to distillation and fermentation before you start talking about terroir...I find many of these magazine/newspaper writers are more about the hype than about respecting terminology often.

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@Ol_Jas
Ol_Jas replied

@JasonHambrey ,

"Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for that rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge." ~Erwin Knoll

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@Robert99
Robert99 replied

@jasonhambrey I read an interesting article that says that variety of barley does not affect taste. It was saying that the quality of the grain matter and, sa you were saying, fermentation and distillation. For me terroir, s more about the peat and the process and knowledge that you will found in a specific area.

Here is the link for the article I read: scotchwhisky.com/magazine/features/…

8 years ago 0

@Robert99
Robert99 replied

That was:"that you will find" and sorry for all the spelling mistakes.

8 years ago 0

@Spitfire
Spitfire replied

@Robert99 Thanks for that interesting article--on a subject I'd never actually thought about before (to me, barley is barley...). I agree, it would seem the process, peat (if used), and other factors such as water (which Kentucky bourbon makers insist is important) is more important. And of course, maturation--look at the laws regarding bourbon casks in the US, and the row between the SWA and Compass Box for trying to improve their casks.

8 years ago 0

@Spitfire
Spitfire replied

Oh, and I forgot to note, the difference between the in-depth article in the specialist magazine, written by someone who actually works in the field, and the article I posted, written by a career journalist for a generalist news outlet.

8 years ago 0

@JasonHambrey
JasonHambrey replied

@Robert99 Thanks for the article. Yes, peat is an influence of terroir. Agreed, completely - that is a clear exception, if they are saying where they source their peat. However, "terroir" refers to land, so if it is the process of fermentation, yeast selection, type of stills, etc. - yes, it is unique, and special to that distillery - but not dependent on "terrior" most of the time it is labeled as such. Distillers also seem to make a big deal out of water - to me, if I think about flavours, it seems it is more significant (as in Kentucky) in being helpful for fermentation rather than giving flavor at all, unless we are talking about a lightest touch of minerality that many don't even taste.

Aging, however, is interesting, and climate does influence that. So I'm not saying that location is not important, it is simply that, as a lover of wine, whisky seems to abuse the term "terrior" in its typical usage, and seems to be used by marketers rather than true enthusiasts. I suppose I already said that in my previous post...

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